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    Windows 8: Good or Bad?

    I read this article today and just wondered what others thought? Do you agree with the sentiments given in the article or no?

    Personally I feel that this guy sat down and used Windows 8 for around a minute and a half. Anyone who has explored the new interface knows that it can easily be configured to get at what one needs to fairly rapidly.. Admittedly we've seen two betas, let's just see the final product before we are so quick to pass judgement.


    BERKELEY, Calif. (MarketWatch) — I am writing this review on a computer that runs Windows Vista. It’s not that bad.

    Generally speaking, I like Microsoft Corp. /quotes/zigman/20493/quotes/nls/msft MSFT +1.18% and what it has done. Over the years, I’ve even supported the idea that Microsoft’s Bob interface was mismarketed and actually was unique and interesting.

    That said, Windows 8 looks to me to be an unmitigated disaster that could decidedly hurt the company and its future.


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    The Windows 8 Consumer Preview presentation in February.
    This opinion is based on using the new release candidate beta that is pretty much what will finally ship after some bug fixes.

    It’s not that the product out-and-out stinks. It is refreshingly slick-looking and modern, albeit without any charm whatsoever.

    The real problem is that it is both unusable and annoying. It makes your teeth itch as you keep asking, “Why are they doing this!?”

    First of all, the system-software product is mostly divorced from all the thought and trends developed by Windows over the years, as if to say that they were wrong the whole time, so let’s try something altogether new.

    No business will tolerate this software, let me assure you. As a productivity tool, it is unusable.

    Most applications cannot even be scaled down and so take up the whole screen. To even get out of these “apps,” you have to ram the cursor down into the lower left corner and click. That puts you back onto the vapid “Metro” start screen, where you can begin another miserable adventure.

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    Do you work on a huge 27-inch or bigger monitor? You know, so you have room to organize your programs and files? Well, imagine everything running full screen on that. It’s a joke.

    There is an old-fashioned desktop you can visit, but whenever the OS gets the chance, it throws you back onto the Metro interface. For those of us who thought we could avoid Metro and live on the desktop screen, we are going to be sorely disappointed.

    This is a problem for Microsoft investors. The potential for this OS to be an unrecoverable disaster for the company is at the highest possible level I’ve ever seen. It ranks up there with the potential for disaster that the Itanium chip presented for Intel Corp. /quotes/zigman/20392/quotes/nls/intc INTC +1.56% It’s that bad.

    I have no idea why Microsoft would take such an enormous gamble on its cash cow like this. Incremental changes were a theme at Redmond, Wash.; this is a radical departure.

    What is this departure based on? It’s based on the pipe dream that the unsuccessful user interface used by Windows Phone will turn into a success on the tablet — to such an extreme that people will also demand it on the desktop, so all the platforms can have the same look and feel.

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    This is insanity, plain and simple. It’s even more nuts knowing that nobody is waiting in line to buy Windows Phone in the first place, and the tablet is untested in the market. So the company jumps ahead to the desktop?

    I admit that I did not like the Metro interface from the minute I saw it. But the early developers’ beta of Windows 8 did show some promise of letting me hang out on the desktop and avoid Metro completely. This no longer looks to be the case.

    Microsoft and Apple Inc. /quotes/zigman/68270/quotes/nls/aapl AAPL +1.04% have trained their users and penetrated the market (especially the enterprise market) to the limit. Now Microsoft wants to take all the habits and workflows and new skill sets we’ve developed and toss them into the bin for this? Who at Microsoft signed off on this? Do they even use computers?

    The public and enterprise users are going to demand Windows 7 throughout 2013 and until Microsoft gives up on this soulless Metro interface and gets a new design team, fast.
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    Re: Windows 8: Good or Bad?

    I must say that solely based on his twice describing the OS as "unusable" I would have to say that overall I disagree with the article.
    But.....
    His points about business accepting this OS, especially since the Server version also employs Metro may be, on the money.
    And his comments about the underlying reason for the move to Metro being to enhance and or facilitate cross platform (desktop, tablet, phone) use and acceptance is definitely spot on. And Microsoft using their global desktop install base to push their way into those two portable markets to bolster their market share there on the backs of desktop users, is well .... obvious and maybe a bit predatory.
    Is the whole thing, as he describes,
    an enormous gamble on its cash cow
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    an unmitigated disaster that could decidedly hurt the company and its future.
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    I agree with this article 150% every point! That's why after 8 days Windows 8 was gone on main system and is now gone off of the other. I will not try the release preview I have no interest and I will not buy it when it comes out. Our 5 machines will stay on Windows 7 until such time as MSFT comes to its senses. I love Windows 7, I can be very happy keeping it until the very last minute its supported. I'd be lying if I said I didn't hope Windows 8 is a bigger failure than Vista. Then maybe MSFT will get a clue and release a version for the rest of us who aren't using touch screen systems.

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    I read this article today and just wondered what others thought? Do you agree with the sentiments given in the article or no?

    Personally I feel that this guy sat down and used Windows 8 for around a minute and a half. Anyone who has explored the new interface knows that it can easily be configured to get at what one needs to fairly rapidly.. Admittedly we've seen two betas, let's just see the final product before we are so quick to pass judgement.




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    His only point here, referring to the actual "usability" of the OS, is the automatic full screen when using Metro Apps. Advertising, from MMs and others, is that Metro Apps willo be the future(?). I am not disliking Windows 8, its slight improvement in performance is another to make me move forward. However, I have to agree with his criticism of the full screen applications. I normally, in several different environments, have more than one window open. Microsoft's decision to make the Apps behave this way, has forced me to adopt the legacy style Desktop and normal use of my installed applications there.

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    oh I have to say honestly that performance wise, it was slightly better. And I liked how the task bar was duplicated to the second screen though I'd rather see it extended. Also like they are working on better support for multiple monitors. The horrid UI just wipes out any of the other good changes they've made. If performance wise it had been so dramatically better that I was chomping to get it horrid UI or not, then I'd have just delt with the UI and enjoyed the performance. But it was such a meager improvement and start up times were not what I expected either. My Win 7 systems are booted and usable pretty darn fast. So yes I can't agree that windows 8 is unusable, just painful and awkward to use. not really worth spending the money or the time to downgrade.


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    His only point here, referring to the actual "usability" of the OS, is the automatic full screen when using Metro Apps. Advertising, from MMs and others, is that Metro Apps willo be the future(?). I am not disliking Windows 8, its slight improvement in performance is another to make me move forward. However, I have to agree with his criticism of the full screen applications. I normally, in several different environments, have more than one window open. Microsoft's decision to make the Apps behave this way, has forced me to adopt the legacy style Desktop and normal use of my installed applications there.

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    Re: Windows 8: Good or Bad?

    The way I configure and use Win 8 is this..

    I primarily use the desktop.



    I use Windows explorer and Start to get around. My Start screen is basically configured like my old start menu was in windows 7:



    This means I can more or less access any part of the os within 2-3 clicks which I find in many cases is equal to or faster than win 7.

    I do use Metro apps but feel this area of win 8 needs the most work on and hope that will eventually morph into something more useful than it actually is at present.
    This might be improved by better more useful apps but still, it's early days..
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    Now that's what I'm talking about. Simple, easy to use, workable START.
    Same here, thanks Ross for showing your setup.
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    Ok, I'm not going to go into a long diatribe here but, I will say I completely & totally disagree w/ everything this guy has written from top to bottom, especially his many statements that are 100% false.

    The performance & Features of Windows8 are just fine, better than in the past & some are really quite cool & neat. Technically, it's very impressive. As far as ease of use, it's really easy. And w/out add-ons or retro-fits. I have been beta-testing both the CP & the RP. The only 'tweak', I've done (and I have asked the Win8 Build Team to make it happen by RTM) is an ALL Applications folder on the Taskbar. I live & work on & from Desktop 100% or the time. I'm including some shots to help demonstrate... The shot w/ the 'expanded' or open items shows the Application folder & the Desktop Toolbar. Sometimes, briefly, I show the Gadgets, mostly to see my meters (CPU & Drives); no need to show Desktop icons & have them, on top of nice pictures... they are all in Desktop Toolbar, anyway.

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    Hi Kemical.
    Is that a picture of the start screen or the "All Apps" feature?

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    It's his Start screen. I never use or visit mine & it could have many fewer tiles but, doesn't really matter 1 way or the other, anyway, cus I never use or visit it, lol. Still, even so, no need to have a ton of tiles on it; And I have it & keep it fixed such that I see all tiles w/out needing to move the screen to see them all. I don't use the ALL APPs screen, either. I can't be bothered or justify bouncing back & forth to various screens. Rather just stay on 1 & go to everything & do everything from that 1... Desktop. And I accomplish that by having an Applications folder on the Desktop Ergo, don't need heaps of tiles on Start.

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