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    Question Why do people hate the new start screen?

    As the title suggests, I'm wondering why you hate the start screen in Windows 8 so much, or why you think others do.
    Besides looking completely different, there are nothing but improvements on the back end in terms of search, live tiles and appearance. I honestly see no legitimate reason for anyone to "hate it. My only theory is the idea that people hate change. For anyone who presents a legitimate reason (which I have yet to see anywhere), maybe we can help you work around the issue or tell you how something works versus the traditional start menu, as the learning curve can understandably cause "hatred". Sound off in the replies and cast your vote above.
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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    I hate it and can adapt to it and customize it but you shouldn't have to relearn how to use the PC. I don't have smartphones or tablets so nothing is intuitive about it for me. I also like watching the desktop load to see if anything unusual zips by or changes. When I installed the first beta of Windows 8 I had to do a web search to find the power button. Then I had to figure out the hidden login screen. About the only thing MS hasn't done with the start screen to annoy desktop users even more is add a rasberry startup sound that couldn't be disabled.
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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    Had to vote and had to reply, as I do love it..... BUT:
    Mind you that was not at all my initial reaction as I was a very loud and vocal opponent through out the previews (developers, release, and consumer), but when I realized that banging my head against a wall the size of Microsoft was not going to get me anywhere and I actually devoted a bit of time and attention and gave it a sincere and serious opportunity to win me over I have to admit that I cannot now imagine ever going back to Windows 7 nor can I now imagine ever wanting or needing a start button again.
    Our industry, while certainly driven by profit, is supported and bolstered by innovation and change (like it or not) and I don't think any of us would like to still be bumping around on wheels made of semi-circular stone, even if that were still an option.
    Technology is like a swimming shark.... keep moving or die. And the facts on the ground are, everyone is swimming towards small, handheld, mobile devices.
    I hear comments like Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot and so on and so forth. I don't believe that to be true and all. My main concern is that they were perhaps a little too late to hop aboard the speeding train and if you'll permit another metaphor.... perhaps brought a knife to a gun fight, as there offerings may be too little, too late in both features and price point to attract proper adoption of their products. And if that leaves them with only, a bunch of unhappy desktop users, still moaning about their start button, then that's what really doesn't bode well for the future
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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    Have to agree with Joe and Trouble, however, can't actually say I ever hated it, it was a mere dislike.
    Once, getting used to it, then discovering ways around it, customizing it, etc;, it turned out to be fun.
    And, once again, you are in fact running a special edition of Windows 7.

    @ Joe, the raspberry startup sound, it's coming, Windows Blue.

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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    Not hate, but great suspicions. We know Ballmer wants to run all programs thru the WinStore so he can profit from everything being licensed and distributed, then tracked via the Start Screen. What's not to love about THAT?!! He'll be able to enforce subscriptions and greater payments to him with all the fanboi praise for the Start Screen. "Oh, but the programs are now all signed and more secure!" Right. He's been saying that about every version of Windows and Internet Explorer, too.

    As for SEARCH, it sucks. I want to find all the ST4*.* files on Drive I. Oops - can't do that! Must go thru all drives, all the time!

    Or maybe do a SEARCH for "keystroke combo's" so we can see the hundreds of heralded keystroke combos that are available. Oops - can't get any search results for that phrase either!! Oh well - who needs keystroke combos on a touch-screen anyway?!!

    Yeah. What's not to love about endless scrolling to the use the 8 programs I constantly use for productive work. Oh well... those used to be running concurrently but now, no, one App at a time. One day, the concept of multi-tasking will occur and fanbois will claim it's "all new, all revolutionary!!" Uh huh.

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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    The majority of my day to day work is stored in a variety of file types which are in folders according to product. When I need to work on a specific product, I use the shortcut on my desktop that takes me to the main products folder. Because that folder is set to open in the same place and size (oops! lost that in Win7), I can quickly navigate to a specific product folder. Now I can double click each of the (separate but related) files to open them all on my multiple monitor setup. I can switch between apps with a single click on an exposed area of a window and make changes while still viewing the information in a related file. When I'm done with an app, I can close it with a single click on the close button. when all the files are closed, I can quickly navigate back a step or two and find the folder for the next product and do it all again.

    I'm not regurgitating popular sentiment here. I have desktop workstations at home (Win7) and at work (Win7). I have a smart phone and an iPad. Recently, I purchased a new laptop(Win8) from Dell which is truly a remarkable piece of hardware. I did so because I wanted to jump on the Windows 8 wagon and be ahead of the curve. Initially, I found Windows H8 useless but I have a subscription to an online training site so I went and found a tutorial for Win8 and watched the entire thing. With each video in the series, I felt my heart sink lower and lower as it became clearer that I had just blown $1800 on a toy.

    Can anyone explain to me how charms and tiles help me? I surely don't see it. And please stop with the "there are lots of utilities available to make it work the way you want" Doesn't anyone see how ludicrous that is? Would anyone buy a Porsche and then go out and buy a kit to convert it to a pickup truck because you need a vehicle to haul garbage to the landfill?

    My first response to Win8 was disappointment. After going online to see what Microsoft reps had to say, it has changed to something more akin to a broken heart. Microsoft has abandoned me.
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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    My biggest gripe about Windows 8 is that it isn't Windows.

    There's a reason that Windows is called Windows, it's because it opens things in..... "Windows"!!!

    Unmodified Windows 8 doesn't do that.

    I like to use multiple windows I like snap, I run several windows at a time a lot.

    So I hope Windows Blue will make Windows back into Windows again.

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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trouble View Post
    I have to admit that I cannot now imagine ever going back to Windows 7 nor can I now imagine ever wanting or needing a start button again.
    I actually find this post to be quite shocking, considering the types of conversations we had privately regarding Windows 8. I like it, but the limitations on desktop mode are quirky. Once you use ModernMix, it is hard to get used to the Start Screen running in full screen in a non-touch screen environment. I hope that additional support is added for desktop-only users with Windows 8.1.
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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    Perhaps a small confusion , between the thread title and the actual use, in FULL screen, of the "Apps"
    Modern mix has the function to put Apps in a partial window, on the desktop. This function remains automatic, anyway, if you do not use the apps. The auto full screen function of the apps is the singular item I cannot live with. Otherwise I am quite happy using the customised "Metro" as my only start menu.
    So far (?) I have been able to use a third party legacy program, on the desktop, and have found no urgent need to use the (90%) garbage in the Store. This includes, oddly, most Microsoft programs.

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    Re: Why do people hate the new start screen?

    Hi again.

    I think that part of the problems is that the apps aren't that useful.

    I don't use any of them, the mail app won't open my pop.3 email.

    I already have then normal version of Microsoft Office.

    Internet Explorer can't open some of my web pages, i.e. my comcast home page.

    The software that I run are Adobe Products, Video and Animation Software, Games like The Secret World, and Skyrim.

    I like Windows Media Player much better then the video app.
    The apps are too simplistic.

    So what's the point of trying to force me to run everything through an interface that won't show multiple windows, let me see the taskbar when I'm working in an app, or let me call someone on Skype or look something up without closing the window and switching to something else.

    I never want to have a touch screen PC, I use a mouse to draw, and sometimes a tablet.
    I've been doing it for 20 years, I don't want to have to draw on my screen with my finger.

    I have a 27" screen, I don't want to move my hand around that much and I don't need to have giant icons to find what I want.

    The whole idea that they didn't consider the people who do real work on their PCs everyday is crazy.

    Portables are going to be more and more popular that's obvious, I have an iPad, a Laptop, and an iPhone myself in addition to my PC.

    But I'm never going to sit and do a 24 page catalog in Adobe Indesign or play MMOs on my iPad, or Windows Surface.

    To do that I need a PC with thousands of gigs storage, a big screen, and immense processing power, I need a real keyboard both for games and for typing copy.

    I would never write this on my iPad, it would drive me up the wall.

    Try creating animated 3D figures on a Pad, you couldn't store the data for one figure or video clip, not to mention it getting too hot to hold on to.

    There has to be an operating system for people who use their computer for more than browsing, word processing and e-mail.

    I've used Windows since version 3.1 and it's gotten better and better, with some ups and downs along the way, but Windows 8 doesn't make anything that I can think of easier to do then it was in Windows 7, or add anything new that's useful.

    Windows 7 added some great stuff like Snap, for me Windows 8 didn't add anything that I can use.

    If I had it to do over I would have stayed with Windows 7 pro when I got my new computer and waited to see what came next.

    I've actually had more problems with the final version of Windows 8 then I did the beta version I ran for a year.

    On the plus side Windows 8 seems very stable with a few quirks, like not accessing pop.3 email, and it is faster than Windows 7.

    So give me the plusses without the crazy interface.

    I shouldn't have to use 3rd party software to make it work.

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