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So what are you trying say, or wanting....some clear concise coherent well structured sentences with some meaning would be nice. Just one's opinion.

Was merely saying & giving an example of feature & ability in Win8 that might be considered something good. I will use a writing style that suits you betterin future. Sorry if the OP seems unclear to you.

Cheers,
Drew

I gave up reading halfway through. You may recall, a while ago, Drew, of your (occasional) habit of breaking into Jinglise. It does, often, become a waste of space! Maybe after a late night - lol?

Hopefully this will satisfy 'yall. You could maybe try to grasp what was said instead of picking on how it was expressed. And there was no late night or any other negative influence. So glad I don't tell others they can't be individuals.

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For those of you who were insulting to me which, I do not appreciate one bit & are either winding me up or genuinely, much to my surprise, couldn't grasp what was said or why it was said...

For nearly a year I have seen people bashing things about Windows 8. In fairness, a lot of good is said, as well. It has irked me that, more in this forum than others, when someone says anything positive they called labelled 'fanboy' and 'evangelist' with the 'feel' or being called either lepers or crazy or having some blindly driven bias in favor of (stupid) Microsoft. Ergo, I felt like mentioning something about Windows 8 that might be seen, as a good item and that there might, even, be more.

The UI is nuts, APPs are nuts, one reads this stuff day after day. I have oft suggested that that rhetoric might lessen if folks 'understood the OS more and let others, who do see some value items help them give the thing a more enlightened chance.

That said. I was merely pointing out the handy, useful value of having active APPs sitting readily available IN the "Switcher Bar". It can be appealing to not lose the Desktop whilst being able to see and use an APP along side said Desktop. I cited an example of taking bits from Stick Notes on the screen or info from elsewhere in the HDD and easily, conveniently being able to look effortlessly from the Desktop to the Calendar APP and quickly plug 'scattered' data into various dates AND have it provide reminder for same and sync with other calendars, such as Outlook or MSN/Hotmail calendars.

I don't type quickly and, certainly, took some shortcuts. Since I was a child I have been complimented on being well-spoken, cared about good English and its grammar. Like, know what I like mean <---- OMG, what ever got that rubbish started??

Originally Posted by Drew

Hopefully this will satisfy 'yall. You could maybe try to grasp what was said instead of picking on how it was expressed. And there was no late night or any other negative influence. So glad I don't tell others they can't be individuals.

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For those of you who were insulting to me which, I do not appreciate one bit & are either winding me up or genuinely, much to my surprise, couldn't grasp what was said or why it was said...

For nearly a year I have seen people bashing things about Windows 8. In fairness, a lot of good is said, as well. It has irked me that, more in this forum than others, when someone says anything positive they called labelled 'fanboy' and 'evangelist' with the 'feel' or being called either lepers or crazy or having some blindly driven bias in favor of (stupid) Microsoft. Ergo, I felt like mentioning something about Windows 8 that might be seen, as a good item and that there might, even, be more.

The UI is nuts, APPs are nuts, one reads this stuff day after day. I have oft suggested that that rhetoric might lessen if folks 'understood the OS more and let others, who do see some value items help them give the thing a more enlightened chance.

That said. I was merely pointing out the handy, useful value of having active APPs sitting readily available IN the "Switcher Bar". It can be appealing to not lose the Desktop whilst being able to see and use an APP along side said Desktop. I cited an example of taking bits from Stick Notes on the screen or info from elsewhere in the HDD and easily, conveniently being able to look effortlessly from the Desktop to the Calendar APP and quickly plug 'scattered' data into various dates AND have it provide reminder for same and sync with other calendars, such as Outlook or MSN/Hotmail calendars.

I don't type quickly and, certainly, took some shortcuts. Since I was a child I have been complimented on being well-spoken, cared about good English and its grammar. Like, know what I like mean <---- OMG, what ever got that rubbish started??

Drew, the reason many people call you and others "Evangelists" and "Fan boy" are mainly due to your insistence that windows 8 is "Perfect". No OS is perfect and when you refuse to even listen to complaints then it is understandable that people will feel you have sold your soul. Unbiased criticism is healthy criticism. Windows 7 has the big drawback of lacking the OPTION for classic menus and it has a very bad search feature. Windows 8 has ignored a large part of MS OS users who actually require certain OPTIONS. Please allow us users to use our PCs as we like and not have the OS force feed us. If Win 8 offered the option of classic menus and the option to totally bypass Metro amongst other things, then I for one would consider upgrading.

Microsoft is exhibiting the arrogance of a monopoly. I have seen and tried win 8 and quite honestly I am not impressed. I am also sure that it has many very good features but they pale compared to the annoyance of the forced metro and lack of options.

I would trust your technical competence regarding win 8 were you to also listen to the complaints instead of waving them by and insisting that win 8 is basically perfect!

Have a nice day!

I have never said or thought that any OS is perfect. I am not so stupid as to think such a thing. I listen to complaints & do not slough them off. I make & comment on observances. I just don't happen to see this OS the way you do. I am not deaf, dumb & blind cus I view it differently. Things like "forced & arrogance & lack of" are not part of my perception. I try to work w/ what I'm given in a positive manner. For me, it works just fine w/out adding 3 party stuff, w/out being bothered by Modern UI. I don't even mind Search although, not sure why it's split into 3 parts BUT, it is handy & neat to just begin typing on Start & it go find what one wanted. Maybe my fault is I cope rather than complain. I don't mind how others think. I may try to show & tell about things that may make their User experience happier. Because I suggested there may be 1 or more things in 8 that are nice does NOT mean I suggested the whole thing is perfect!!

It sounds it more a matter of you feeling that I'm not open to others because I don't, won't or can't think as you do. Yet, I don't ignore or treat as meaningless what you write. I could say the same back cus you lead people to believe it's crap, @ least w/out adding Classic Shell whilst I do not find it true. Hard to say who is 'bias' or if bias even applies. I, certainly, have no warped bias towards Microsoft but, I do happen to like Windows 8 & do not 'see' it the way you do. I should be allowed that liberty. And the liberty for me not to care to tell folks it's a mess... which is NOT to say it is perfect!

Cheers,
Drew

I would like to quote and respond as an honest unbiased outsider to this conversation and/or Debate

Originally Posted by tanzanos

the reason many people call you and others "Evangelists" and "Fan boy" are mainly due to your insistence that windows 8 is "Perfect". No OS is perfect and when you refuse to even listen to complaints then it is understandable that people will feel you have sold your soul.

You are correct, No OS is perfect; however it is the intellectual property of Microsoft and they have a right to choose which issues to listen to and/or ignore. The great thing about a free market is that we get to choose as well; whether to accept their choices or move onto something we like better. For some, that is Linux, for others, that is an earlier version of Windows which better meets our needs or the totally different approach of Apple.

As a software developer I generally will hear 100 complaints about my software, with people asking for enhancement requests. I don’t just ignore them; I take them into consideration, look at the engineering/development costs (amount of coding to be done, hours coding, does the enhancement meet the scope of the application) versus the monetary benefit (ie return on investment) and determine if this enhancement is something that should/can be done.

Originally Posted by tanzanos

Microsoft is exhibiting the arrogance of a monopoly. I have seen and tried win 8 and quite honestly I am not impressed. I am also sure that it has many very good features but they pale compared to the annoyance of the forced metro and lack of options.

I disagree with the statement that MS is exhibiting the arrogance of a monopoly. I believe they saw a structured environment which has met the needs of a client base, developed a system to deliver the same environment on a larger scale, while offering lower cost options. IE Apple has been doing this for a lot longer, and people clamor on about how great they are, and how wonderful life is etc… MS saw this and listened to consumers who wanted simplicity; elegance and structure.

I believe that the integration of the Tablet Market, Phone Market and PC Market is where the industry is going at this time. What Microsoft has offered us, is the first step of general pc’s being able to do what Apple has done so well; which is build a larger than life fully integrated system. Why shouldn’t others look at this model, appreciate the business success it has brought and try to emulate? Sincerely, what else has MS done than emulate that of others anyway.

FYI: I am a Software Developer who does primarily work in the MS field. Therefore, I do support their choices, as they dictate my livelihood to some extent. Now, that being said, I am not a sheep being herded around, that’s just my own .02 cents.

Lastly, I want to say, I believe Windows 8 is a huge advancement over Windows 7. I enjoy the UI, I enjoy the speed, the under the hood enhancements that they’ve made, and yes, even the integration that seems to be coming. I think it’s a brilliant delivery especially with the boom of HTPC’s and the ability to configure them for Netflix, Hulu, XBMC, Etc all in one central location, while removing all other options from the screen. It’s a clean interface. Guess what, I hated XP, I hated Vista, I hated Windows 7… I loved Windows 98 though.

Thanks once again 'STG'.

Folks you might not be so negative towards Win8 or the overall changes in computing if you allow yourselves to try to see (hate this expression) the big picture. Things that 'STG', myself & others have been trying to express & convey for months are valid, have merit. It is so much more conducive to happiness to work w/ what IS, see the good & the improvement than to always complain & condemn & cry for something different, especially if it's in the past.

Maybe be willing to believe, accept & understand you just might be missing or skewing some concepts & therefore ending up w/ a poorer experience & point of view than might otherwise exist. At least, given things like what 'STG, myself & others are saying fair & due consideration.

Cheers,
Drew