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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

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    I just found out that CLASSIC SHELL is now available for Win8 and this alone will be the criteria for me to make the step in the FAR future.
    Many of us have been using Classic Shell for 8, for quite sometime now.
    And, if that's what it takes for you to dip in to Windows 8, no offense but, it sounds like you've been judging a book by it's cover.

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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

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    Many of us have been using Classic Shell for 8, for quite sometime now.
    And, if that's what it takes for you to dip in to Windows 8, no offense but, it sounds like you've been judging a book by it's cover.

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    Absolutely not. I simply could not work with win7 UI until I installed Classic Shell. I cannot use ribbon nor MACs simply because everything is hidden and is not intuitional. When win95 first came out I did not even have to go through a learning curve as everything was so intuitive and logical that navigating was very easy. When drop down menus were replaced with Ribbon and the new start menu of win7 lacked the classic start menu I was at a loss. Call me stupid (my first computer was the ZX80 and have owned a plethora of computers since then.) I have patents to my name and am a products designer by trade. Sorry but I simply cannot understand the hide and seek concept first introduced by Apple and then adopted by MS.

    No Classic shell means no going to new OSs.

    I pre ordered win7 and have been using it since its release. I tried many times to use its UI but gave up. So Classic menus it is or nothing.

    Have a great day everyone
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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    I definitely understand and for the most part sympathize with your plight.
    If people, especially those of us who have been around since Windows 3, would be more honest, we would all likely agree that when a new OS announcement comes out, our first thought is, OK, let's see where they put everything this time.
    I love your "hide and seek" analogy.
    This OS is nothing more than a drive by Microsoft for cross platform acceptance and identity. Hey my Tablet (Slate) looks just like my desktop, Wow my phone looks just like my desktop. There is nothing actually great here for the average everyday user, it is not at all intuitive as any number of internet videos will prove as they show people setting at the lock screen wondering what to do next.
    There are a lot of us sitting around looking at this new OS, through our nerdy, tape adorned, rose colored glasses, saying things like this is cool or oh, that's nice, when actually many and I do mean many are going to find the OS more than a little frustrating.
    Is it faster? Yes a little bit. Does it have any cool features under the hood? Yes a couple. Does it bring anything of real benefit to the overall user experience? You decide (and it sounds like you have, as many have, and many more will).
    When Windows 95 first shipped, the departure from the old Program Manager interface to the new Start Button was so drastic that I believed that if you purchased a retail full version or a retail upgrade version of the CD (not sure about the 1.4 cassette media) I seem to recall a second CD something about "Getting Started" or "Windows Starts Here" or words to that effect. I suspect that they might do something similar in the way of a tutorial CD/DVD included in the packaging or a big tile on the Start Page for an integrated How To Video.
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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    Your missing the point & simply balking @ change itself. Change (nothing to do w/ Win8 or Windows 29) is part of existence but, many humans balk @ it... not, actually the item that has changed. And (the point is) Windows8, on a regular desktop PC or laptop, works very nicely w/out adding anything retro, just so you know.

    I'll let others have the thread, now

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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Your missing the point & simply balking @ change itself. Change (nothing to do w/ Win8 or Windows 29) is part of existence but, many humans balk @ it... not, actually the item that has changed. And (the point is) Windows8, on a regular desktop PC or laptop, works very nicely w/out adding anything retro, just so you know.

    I'll let others have the thread, now

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    I agree that we must change everything so let us start by getting rid of the RETRO round wheel and redesign the all new SQUARE wheel; Perfect for parking your car, has built in micro processed dampening mechanism, gyroscopic stabiliser, Y axis dampening, and comes in cool candy colours.
    Yup! Square wheels are light years ahead of the now defunct thousands of years old round wheel design. Wow talk about fashion victims! Have a very happy day!

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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    This OS is nothing more than a drive by Microsoft for cross platform acceptance and identity.
    Agreed Randy.. Microsoft does not have an os that covers all the hardware bases until now.. It's simply addressing the balance. If one doesn't like the os then one has the right to not buy or indeed use it.......







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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    Should I remind you that Microsoft is by all definitions a MONOPOLY and as such does not allow us to have an equivalent choice? If MS was not a monopoly and there were 3 or more OS developers out there with OSs then it would have been a different story. Of course they would all have to have some form of standardisation but market forces would come into play and allow the consumer something which is noticeably lacking; Namely "CHOICE"!

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    I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one...







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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    tanzanos,

    Geeez been a long time since seeing you around here w/ clever sarcasm and cutting Windows 8 to shreds. We are all nuts to like it, don't you reckon?

    Nice to see you, again.

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    Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview Video Review with whoosh, kemical, and Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by tanzanos View Post
    Should I remind you that Microsoft is by all definitions a MONOPOLY and as such does not allow us to have an equivalent choice? If MS was not a monopoly and there were 3 or more OS developers out there with OSs then it would have been a different story. Of course they would all have to have some form of standardisation but market forces would come into play and allow the consumer something which is noticeably lacking; Namely "CHOICE"!
    Particularly interesting was something from Neil Tucker in the form of question, regarding Windows 8 Uptake Slows for Third Straight Month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Tucker
    Interesting statistics Mike. Do you agree with the explanations in the article (shift to tablets / problems with UI) for the reasons for this slow pace of acceptance?
    To which I responded:

    "I believe that this, the worldwide economic crisis, and the fact that Windows 7 was released in 2007 has been too much for business adoption. They are slow to update and hardware may be slow to advance to accommodate the software. In some cases, some hardware manufacturers like Samsung and Apple already have outstanding commitments to produce Android and iOS based devices. The tablet marketplace is a place Microsoft hasn't been able to reach extensively into, and because it has no real competition (that would debase it from its thrown) in the desktop market, you can see they are trying to move into multi-functional UI very quickly to catch up. No Start Menu is a major complaint from many. 15 years ago, Neil, people were laughing at the idea that a OS based on a Linux derivative kernel could actually compete with Microsoft in any area, much less miniature devices. The market is unpredictable, but Microsoft has $60B in cash assets to gamble on the PC user market to gain leverage on tablets and phones."

    To me, irregardless of the third-party options available to consumers, I think that this is generally what is going on, as most business analysts (I am not one) will just tell it straight that this is what is going on. At the end of the day, the Start Screen still serves little to no purpose to me, but that is because I do not have a Windows 8-based tablet or handheld. The point of my message to Neil was that, yes, in a sense, all of these factors play a part. An untimely release date, a PC business marketplace that generally doesn't want to touch the thing (quite literally) when a keyboard and mouse are still the standard as HIDs in business for productivity. Slowly but surely, this will change. My point was that Microsoft has the ability to gamble on the PC desktop market and take these types of risks - call them innovative or regressive - exactly because they face little to no competition in that area.

    The timing for Windows 8 was strategic as if the OS was a PC desktop failure, it might still succeed in the tablet marketplace and PC desktop users were still migrating to Windows 7. In fact, saturation for Windows 7 and Windows 8 over Windows XP is now in full force. People are either choosing one or the other, as I thought about before the release. The thought was get them on one or the other, but nothing else.

    In fact, the statistics from the article in question support this theory:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg Keizer
    Last weekend, U.S. retailer Best Buy kicked off a two-week deal that discounted touch-enabled Windows 8 PCs by $100. Both Windows XP and Windows 7 returned to their usual trends, with XP losing half a percentage point to end February at 39% of all personal computers, or 42.6% of Windows-only machines. Meanwhile, Windows 7 gained under one-tenth of a point to climb to 44.6% of all PCs and 48.6% of all Windows PCs.
    Source: Gregg Keizer, CIO.com

    You cannot really consider an overpriced Apple desktop system or even Apple TV to be competitive in a recessive economy when nearly all of their products have some crazy 40% markup over similar retail PC components. Why is this? Because they have white chassis? Microsoft's only serious competitor is Google, and they know it. I digress with Apple, only because I find the infatuation with it to be insane and inane by people who are suckered into the same places where they buy $90 HDMI Monster Cables when they could just go on Monoprice.com and buy one for $5 USD. So you see my point... Google's tablet platform is something I legitimately use for consumption; Microsoft products are something I legitimately use for production. To me, Chromebook is regressive, because why would you want to use a touch screen OS with a mouse and keyboard. Similarly, Windows 8 touch screen functionality is regressive vice versa. But that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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